Dear Pat Robertson, SHUT YOUR FREAKING MOUTH!!

Pat Robertson

Pat Robertson

Along with the devastating news of the earthquake in Haiti today, comes the devastating news that 700 Club founder, Pat Robertson, has opened his mouth. In a time that tens of thousands are already known to be missing or dead, a number which potentially might reach 100,000 or more, Drudge reports fears in France everyone inside the U. N. headquarters is dead, Compassion International cannot get in contact with its Haitian office, Robertson, speaking on his CBN network today explored the possibility that the earthquake was another in a long line of curses on Haiti (and Haitians, one would presume) as a result of a pact made with the devil way back on August 14, 1791.

The legend is that Haitian leaders offered to serve Satan in return for overthrowing the French and gaining their freedom. Thanks to Robertson, we now know that the devil said, “OK, it’s a deal.” Apparently, Robertson not only speaks for God, but, now, for Satan, too. (The veracity of the claim is by demolished in a single article by Dr. Jean R. Gelin.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time that Robertson has presumed to explain disasters either man-made (9/11) or natural (Hurricane Katrina) or made other-dare I say-idiotic statements about world affairs. When disagreeing with the U. S. Department of State in 2003:

Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up.

Regarding Hugo Chavez in August 2005:

You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don’t think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United … This is in our sphere of influence, so we can’t let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

To the citizens of Dover, PA, 2005, after replacing a school board that refused to allow Intelligent Design to be taught in schools:

I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city. And don’t wonder why He hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for His help because he might not be there.

Suggests that a stroke suffered by then-Prime Minister of Israel, Arial Sharon, was due to “dividing the land”:

I would say woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU [European Union], the United Nations, or United States of America…Sharon [is] personally a very likeable person, [but] God has enmity against those who, quote, ‘divide my land.’

And in January 2007, part of his annual new year spate of prophecies, predicted a terrorist attack on the US causing death and destruction equivalent to that of a nuclear war, though stopped short of saying it would be a nuclear attack. Whew; good to know that. It matters little since neither one happened in 2007…2008…2009…

Now, I realize that we live in the United States and the first amendment is still in full vigor, hence the writing of this very column. I also realize that Christians, more often not, believe in the urgency of protecting their own since others rarely do. For the last decade, Robertson has mostly been ignored with hopes, so far unfulfilled, that he would fade into the sunset. Or fall off the set.

But, really, enough is absolutely enough. I don’t know whether Pat Robertson has dementia (or has had it for 20 years); frankly, I feel a little guilty for insulting people with dementia with the very supposition. This believer is willing to go on record saying that Robertson does not speak for me and he does not speak for God and it’s about time that high profile religious leaders openly distance themselves from Robertson lest they continue to be tainted by his silly pronouncements.

I have no question that Robertson is sincere and sincerely believes that he is speaking for God. I also have no question that he does not. Whether he ever has done so is simply not within my ability to say, but as to whether he does now it is clear that he does not.

Instead of trying to keep viewers by giving his particular spin on whatever he thinks God to be doing and why, perhaps he’d best keep in mind the prophet’s warning, “Woe to those who say, ‘Thus says the Lord,’ when the Lord has not spoken” while God’s people would do well to hear the admonition given in Jeremiah 23:21 centuries ago, “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.”

Marty Duren

Just a guy writing some things.

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  • Katie

    It’s really sad that this us what the world sees of Christians.

  • Beth L.

    It’s funny, people call into the 700 Club all the time asking Robertson to pray for their cancer, their nephew’s leukemia, or their grandmother’s ingrown toenail, and Robertson prays for their healing. Never does he proclaim that their malady is the result of their being gay, democrat, pro-choice, or having had a fiddle duel with the devil. But as soon as an impoverished nation built below sea level or on a fault line experiences calamity, he’s quick to say exactly why God caused it to happen. I can say with certainty that Jesus told us to take care of the poor and suffering, he did not tell us to proclaim to them that they had it coming.

    • Marty Duren

      Well, there goes your chance at being a CBN news anchor.

  • Brett C

    Robertson talks about Haitians “making a pact with the devil” yet it is idiotic comments like his that turn millions of people away from the truth, far more than any pact made with the devil by anyone. I’d dare say Satan needs no “pacts” with anyone when he can count on “Christians” like Robertson to do his dirty work for him in such a profoundly stupid manner.

    • Marty Duren

      When you check out comments at reddit and YouTube, it becomes abundantly clear that all Christians are lumped together when these kinds of comments are made.

      • Hello,

        I agree, Christians tend to be lumped together for criticism online in many instances. In full disclosure, I am an Atheist. However, I am not an anti-theist. People should be allowed to believe what they like as long as it doesn’t hurt someone else. Robertson is the living antithesis of this idea.

        The real problem here is this: The hard-right, politically active Christians have all the money, airtime, mega-churches, and fund-raising abilities. In a lot of cases, churches have become lobbying arms of various Republican campaigns.

        Here’s the problem: A few years ago, Fox “News” was running the line “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists happen to be Muslim” (forgetting people like Tim McVeigh and Joseph Stack) and then they moved on to the line “Why aren’t moderate Muslims speaking out against the crazy jihadis?”

        Well, I have been waiting for that moderated Christian voice to pop out of the static, and draw a line in the sand between Real Christians, and the politico’s, such as the Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist klan (‘k’ used on purpose), and the people like Michelle Malkin, Glen “Magic Underwear” Beck,Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman. These folks use faith as a tool. Nothing more.

        So, let me be among the first Atheists to thank Marty Duren and most of the folks posting here for reminding the rest of the country that the teachings of Jesus Christ are universal to the believer and unbeliever alike. If followed, the country would be better off. And I mean the actual teachings, not the “interpreted” garbage, and opinion.

        Moderates: Speak Louder! The nation needs to hear you!!!

        That’s what most of these churches need….more Jesus, less Fox ‘News’.

        -C

        • Marty Duren

          Hi Chuck-
          Thanks for stopping by and for your comment.

          I’m especially gratified by your last long paragraph; one of the reasons I started this site was to interact with non-believers on matters of culture, politics and faith.

          I will say that many of my believing friends are snickering at my being labeled a moderate, though I’ve been called liberal as well.

          Please stop by often and share your thoughts *as he goes off to check Chuck’s other comment*.

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  • Pat Robertson reminds me of one of the posters over there at despair.com:

    Mistakes
    It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

    • Marty Duren

      lol

  • Robert I Masters

    Why the Hate for a fellow Christian …….I agree with what Robertson and what he was intending to communicate as defined in the press release.

    As a side note I had a conversation with a powerful Southern Baptist leader who did say that we should not be supporting the “wickedness” that is New Orleans.
    He intended to not vote for having the convention in that city due to this fact.

    BTW …..In essence so does Al Mohler.

    http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/01/14/does-god-hate-haiti/

    and

    Gary Cass of the Anti-Christian Defamation League

    God Bless
    Robert I Masters

    • Marty Duren

      Rob-
      Zero hate has been displayed in this article or this thread. Desires for someone to reign in Robertson? Yes; but not hate. I don’t hate him at all, I just wish he’d stop making stupid pronouncements that have nothing to do with the voice of God.

      I’ve already read Mohler’s piece and thought it well done; it does nothing to support your position, however, since it has nothing to do with having the SBC in New Orleans. Frankly, I don’t care where the SBC is held. They can have it at the North Pole or the dark side of Jupiter.

  • Robert I Masters

    Sorry here is the link for
    The Gary Cass article

    http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/1520212697.html

    God Bless
    Robert I Masters

  • Robert I Masters

    Marty,
    I dont understand why you take the secular medias side when quoting Pat Robertson…..that to me represents Hate.
    Misqoting someone then bashing someone because of that misqoute is hate!
    Not once do you compliment him for the good work that he has done.

    Numerous commentators on Denny Burks blog, Ben Wetheringtons blog,Justin Taylors blog have asked why no one commentated on Gods wrath in New Orleans.
    I was just attesting to the fact that leaders did comment on that fact….just privately and with actions. New Orleans and Haiti are both centers of occult practices.

    Do you doubt the Providential moving of Gods hand on Union University to prevent one single lose of life in that tornado.

    Here is a song that I believe reflects the theology well.

    Sara Groves “Generations”

    http://www.pandora.com/music/song/sara+groves/generations

    God Bless
    Robert I Masters

    • Marty Duren

      Rob-
      First, the “secular media” is not always wrong and Baptist Press, Christianity Today, etc, are not always right. Sometimes the secular press have a better handle on the Bible than do the ones who claim to believe it. Not always, but sometimes.

      Second, I did not misquote Robertson. In fact, after listening to the actual broadcast, I re-wrote my draft to reflect what he actually said, not what others were accusing him of saying. He attributed Haiti’s long history of disasters to pseudo-history. Besides, even if such a pact had been made, there is no scripture that forces one to believe Haitians would still be suffering as a result.

      Third, Homer, Alaska is a center of New Age activity, believed to be a place of harmonic convergence, yet no earthquake, hurricane or tidal wave has taken it out. Auckland, New Zealand is rising in numbers of atheists, while Netherlands and France claim 27% and 33% no belief in a God as of 2005. Where are their earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis?

      Fourth, Haiti, in spite of its extreme poverty, is the home of many, many Christians who have not attempted a syncretistic blend of religions. Was God judging them, too, or were they just collateral damage for being born in the wrong city?

      Fifth, I never doubt God’s providential hand; I just never know for sure when and how it is moving. Neither do you. Frankly, neither does anyone.

    • Beth L.

      Kris Vallotton, a recent speaker at my husband’s ministry training school, said this during his lecture (and I paraphrase): Christians usually have no problem affirming the scripture that says the rain falls on the just and the unjust, we just believe that when the rain falls on the unjust it’s God trying to drown them.

      That seems to sum up Robertson’s tendency to ascribe divine motive to natural disasters (essentially redefining them as supernatural disasters) and pray without question for the healing of his 700 Club viewers. One of my hopes for the future of America is that no one is waiting in the wings to take up his mantle.

  • Robert,

    Why hasn’t your home been destroyed by an earthquake? Do you think Haitians are worse sinners than you are? Do you think the voodoo that is practiced in Haiti is worse than the pornography and child abuse practiced in your own city? At what point, in your opinion, do we move from joining those in John 9 who asked, “Who sinned, this man or his parents…” to joining Jesus in saying, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him?” My problem with Pat Robertson is that he is all too often ready to pronounce God’s judgment on others in cases like these when we’re pretty clearly told that those sort of judgments are things we are to avoid.

    • Marty Duren

      Paul-
      While speaking with your brother earlier, I was reminded of something I read a while back: Why is it when something bad happens to others (especially those I don’t like or with whom I disagree) it is the judgment of God, but when something bad happens to me it is an attack of Satan?

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  • Robert I Masters

    Paul,
    My home was shaken by earthquakes many times but Gods hand of protection kept our family safe.
    The Christian nation that I currently live in does not have Vodoo as the national religion as Haiti declared 7 years ago.
    I did not hear Pat Robertson pronounce judgement on anyone in this case. He made a general statement about the spiritual condition of the nation as a whole.
    Yes we may suffer in a similar way if we continue to forget the God of the Biblical.
    Lastly my father was killed by cannibals in 1968 but God purposed that to happen and His glory is always accomplished…..the eventual coming to the Lord of many if not most of the tribe today.An example of God doing an apparent negative to accomplish his purposes.

    Sola Deo Gloria
    Robert I Masters

    • Robert, I didn’t ask if your home had been shaken. I asked if it had been destroyed. Why has God not destroyed your home, Robert? Are the sins of your community more insignificant than those of Haiti? By the way, America is not a Christian nation. Just ask the President who has said that it is not. Is Voodoo worse than agnosticism or just plain spiritual indifference? Do those who practice voodoo inhabit a hotter portion of hell than those who simply ignore God altogether and make gods of themselves and their possessions?

      By the way, exactly how offended would you be if I were to ask you what horrible sin your father committed or what possible secret pact with the devil he made to be killed by cannibals? Who sinned? Your father, or your grandparents that he died that way? And if that question even remotely offends you then you’re starting to get the idea.

  • Sonya D

    Robert,
    I’m not sure which “Christian nation” you live in, but I live in the U.S. From my vantage point, living in Atlanta I do not see a Christian nation. (I really believe this is a lie that we, as the Church in America, have latched onto and it has become a source of pride which has led to a sense of spiritual entitlement.) Atlanta has one of the worst child sex trafficking problems in the entire country. Look at our country’s abortion rate. Pornography is rampant in the church, no less. If we look around and will be honest with ourselves, the U.S. is also in a spiritual state of darkness not unlike Haiti. Many in our nation have bowed the knee to Satan in more subtle ways than the more blatant practice of voodoo. Pat Robertson was wrong and needs to be held accountable by his peers for such careless, unhelpful words and his audacity in thinking that he knows the mind of God on such a monumental and tragic event.

  • Robert I Masters

    Paul,
    Not Offended at all by your question concerning my father. He did not make a pact with the devil….covenantly redeemed. He was born in sin like all of humanity but blood bought on the cross through the grace of God.
    Why are you trying to argue about the effects of sin! Its an irrelevant argument.
    You would sort of expect a Muslim man to not to consider America Christian…would you not?

    Sonya,
    I guess will just have to disagree about America being a Christian nation…..
    You might enjoy reading this on Chrisian heritage….

    http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=23909

    see also this video by Charles Stanley of Atlanta!!!!!

    http://www.intouch.org/site/c.cnKBIPNuEoG/b.5301095/k.AC6/Is_America_a_Christian_Nation__David_Barton.htm

    Dr Peter Lillbacks Providence forum has been influential in this regard.

    http://www.providenceforum.org/

    God Bless and may America Bless God.
    Robert I Masters

    p.s It is hard to be prideful about God blessing American when you understand its all about Grace.

    • Robert,

      According to Ephesians 2:2-3 your father did make a pact with the devil, just like you, just like me, and just like those Haitians. Apparently grace saved him from that pact. But I also assume that grace is at work among Haitians as well as your father. The Apostle Paul didn’t say that Christ died for us after we had sufficiently dealt with our own sin but that it was “while we were yet sinners.” No doubt God punishes sin, but it has already been pointed out to you that the Scriptures state that judgment begins at the house of God. If you want to maintain that America is a Christian nation (and I agree with Beth and Marty on this one, but I’ll go along with you for the sake of argument) then America should be much farther up in the line of discipline than Haiti.

      But, after all, it is much more convenient to look down on those evil voodoo practicing Haitians than it is to look inwardly at our own sin and do something about that. That way we can spend more time saying, “God, I thank you that I’m not a sinner like those people.”

  • Beth L.

    Now I’m convinced. If only Haiti had been a Christian nation, those crazy fault lines would have never moved against each other! Our nation was founded by “Christians” who massacred and displaced untold numbers of Native Americans, then kidnapped and enslaved an entire race of people, treating them like animals. Yep, tell me more about our Christian heritage.

    Seriously though, a nation cannot be Christian because a nation has no soul. And Obama is not Muslim. The guy smokes, drinks beer, swears, and treats women as equals. In other words, completely not a Muslim.

  • Robert I Masters

    Beth,
    Why dont you engage the topics that were mentioned in the videos and websites.
    I think the mans fallen nature clearly explains those actions.
    BTW native Americans were killing native Americans long before European Christians settled on this continent.

    You might like to read this Scripture….

    Deuteronomy 32:39
    “See now that I, I am He, and there is no god besides Me; it is I who put to
    death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, and there is no one who
    can deliver from My hand.”

    So….. Akon is a muslim who smokes, drinks beer,swears and has three wives in senegal. All my Indonesian friends say he is a muslim.

    God Bless
    Robert I Masters

    • Marty Duren

      Robert-
      A couple of things. First, stop posting links. No one has the time to watch them and we are already familiar with the arguments. Besides, the attempt here is to engage you, not Charles Stanley or David Barton. The other reason is, by my design, comments with links are sent to the spam filter and must be manually approved.

      My only contribution here is you, Barton, Stanley, et al, cannot prove that American was a Christian nation no matter what the intent of her founders was. First and foremost you have to find where the New Testament teaches (1) that nations can be “Christian” and (2) that God’s plan is to set up “Christian nations.” Until you can show that from Scripture, you cannot demonstrate America to be a Christan nation no matter how many books or videos say it.

      I’ll save you the time, Robert. The Bible does not teach that nations can be Christian, therefore America is not nor has it ever been a “Christian nation.”

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  • Melissa

    “Lastly my father was killed by cannibals in 1968”. This was taken at face value.

    • Marty Duren

      Melissa-
      Yeah, that one might seem a little far afield under normal circumstances, eh?

      The story of Phil Masters’ martyrdom was documented as part of a larger story in the book Lords of the Earth by Don Richardson. It’s quite old now but well worth tracking down; you can probably get it for pennies.

      Robert’s father was a hero of the gospel and the story is harrowing and inspiring.